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Mma
September 14, 2004 01:44AM
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Excuse my ignorance, but I have recently been reading the novels about Mma Ramotswe and I have no idea how to pronounce "Mma" nor what it stands for, i.e.: Mrs. is pronounced Missus and indicates a married woman; Mr. is pronounced Mister and indicates a respectful title to a male, etc. Can you please elucidate me on this?

Thank you.
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Mma
September 16, 2004 01:22PM
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I too have been searching for the answer to this. I finally discovered that there are soundclips of various phrases in Setswana at www.gov.bw/tourism/culture_and_his/language.html including "Dumela, mma" and "Dumela, rra" (which is "Hello" to a woman and a man respectively). There "Mma" sounds like "map" without the "p" -- ie, the "a" is very short. I had assumed it was an abbreviation of "Madam" but it seems it is just a word in its own right like our "Mrs".
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Mma Rra
October 29, 2004 12:31PM
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Thanks for posting answers here. I've been wondering about the origin of Mma and Rra for a while. I assumed it was polite titles of address akin to "mister" and "madam," but I wanted more info. The pronunciations online are helpful--thanks!

Now if only I could get my hands on some bush tea. I would like to try it, even though Mma Makutsi thinks it smells of rats.
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spreading my wings through internet
December 20, 2004 08:17PM
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Isn't internet lovely? I am puertorican (Puerto Rico in the Caribbean). Presently i am cyber dreaming of Africa. My neighbor gave me Tears of the Giraffe some weeks ago, i loved it, specially when Rra accepted the two children. Now she lent me Heavenly Date which i will soon read. Bravo Africa Guide. Hello Botswana, hello Africa!!!
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wonderful reading
January 19, 2005 11:06AM
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In my search for the exact meaning of Mma/Rra I reached this forum and just want to share my delight with these wonderful books with you all. I am reading the fifth volume and would hope that Precious Ramotswe does get married. She deserves it. Wonderful is it to learn about the positive sides of Africa. I simply must go to Botswana some time.
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Mm/botswana
February 08, 2005 07:34PM
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yes- Mma Precious makes you want to get it right! I have friends who have been to Botswana
and I live in hopes of seeing Africa someday-These books are great settlers of the soul and
the spirit.
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Botswana
February 11, 2005 04:13PM
By Jax
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I went to Botswana a few years ago and loved it - an absolutely amazing place. I then read all the Precious books and fell in love further. I recently got engaged to a South African and am planning my wedding (in a couple of months time) to be on a boat on the Chobe River in Botswana! Just the most amazing place!
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Rra and Mma
February 17, 2005 03:11PM
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I lived and worked as a teacher in Botswana some years ago (and even met some of the real people in Alex McCall's books!). Mma and Rra are marks of respect and thus are more significant than Mr and Mrs. Greeting people politely is one of the first things you must learn to do in Botswana - people get offended if you don't! Correct form is,'Dumela mma/rra - le kae?' You reply, 'Ke teng mma/rra, le kae?' Plurals are bomma and borra and you say 'Re teng' (We're fine') if greeted as a couple or a group. Another point of etiquette is if calling someone it is considered rude to just call their name - you add 'we' (pronounced 'way') straight afterwards - 'Peter- we'. Some of the elders in my village called me 'Kgabo' as a mark of deep respect (not entirely deserved I'm sure). Kgabo means 'monkey' but the monkey is the totem of the Bakgatla tribe and so they were not being rude - far from it!

Hope that was useful!

Stephen
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Re: Rra and Mma
June 03, 2010 11:06AM
By sherryk
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Very helpful info, thank you for sharing it!
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Re: Rra and Mma
June 03, 2010 11:15AM
By sherryk
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I have enjoyed reading everyones comments. I stumbled on this site doing an internet search for the meaning of the word "dumela". It's heartwarming to know that so many people are enjoying the simple goodness of these books. If we are all drinking bush tea perhaps we are all striving to treat others kindly and with dignity, like Mma Ramotswe!
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Bush Tea
April 05, 2005 03:28AM
By jboyer
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Bush tea is readily available at most supermarkets...Tazo makes a superb one, as does Numi. Even Stash Teas make a red tea, but I'm not sure if it's made from Rooiboos (sp), the plant from which traditional bush tea is made. Bush tea is yummy, and I don't think it smells of rats one bit!
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The meaning of the title
April 14, 2005 05:21PM
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Can someone please tell me the meaning of the title of this book - Tears of the Giraffe? Thanks.
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Setswana fun!
July 15, 2005 03:33AM
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Its pronounced mmmmMa. Setswana is a language that emphasises a lot! Mr or Rra is rrrRaa. And you have to be able to roll your r's. Its an interesting langauge once you get to know it a little
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On the last page or so of "Tears of the Giraffe," the meaning is revealed. (Read no further if you don't want it spoiled for you.) Mma Ramotswe gives a traditional basket to the American woman whose son went missing ten years before. She explains that the giraffe gives its tears to the women to weave them into the baskets because they have nothing else to give. It is much more poetically put in the book, of course.

I found a very nice kind of bush tea called "11 o-clock tea" at my local natural foods store. I think it is a more traditional form of the tea, without flavoring, that is common in South Africa. I could be wrong, though. It is very mild and nice, though I too prefer black tea.

Did anyone else notice that Mma Makutsi is suddenly drinking bush tea again in "The Kalahari Typing School for Men", with no mention of her disliking it? I was disappointed to see that--as if Smith forgot about this rather nice little detail he lent her character. Oh well, not everyone can be so enamored of these books (not even the author himself).
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mma and rra
August 26, 2005 02:47AM
By annb
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I was very happy to find this site and learn how to pronounce Mma and Rra. I'd originally had it in my mind that Mma was "Madama", much as the French Mme is "Madame" - but I couldn't come up with a similar word that fit Rra!

Alexander McCall Smith is currently here in Australia at a writer's festival, and was interviewed the other night on the TV.
I therefore heard the pronunciation of "Ramotswe" : Ra MOT sway, although both the interviewer and AMS used her first name rather than "Mma", thus leading me to find this forum to learn the proper way to say that word! <img src="[www.africaguide.com]]

I have just finished Tears of the Giraffe and am absolutely dying to get the next in the series, Morality for Beautiful Girls. I think I'll be giving the full set as Xmas gifts to a few friends and family (hm, and maybe requesting it myself!).

Re: the bush tea, I had thought Mma Makutsi sat and drank it with Mma Ramotswe several times in the first book, but perhaps she only made the tea. As they were loaned to me, I no longer have the books to look back into!
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How to pronounce Mma
August 26, 2005 07:30AM
By annb
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A PS to my post above -
Further searches on the net found an AMS site wherein the author replied to this query, although his answer confuses me a bit - "long a"?? and "rar"??:

"... Mma is pronounced "mah" (that is, with a long a), and rra is similarly pronounced "rar". The double m and the double r slightly strengthen the mo and r sound, but only slightly. I hope that you enjoy the fourth book in due course!

Very best wishes,
Alexander McCall Smith"
(from http://www.randomhouse.com/features/mccallsmith/ask2.html)
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just finished the kalahari typing school for men on thursday and in the company of cheerful ladies yesterday.
i love them! i never would've picked up the book but a friend referred them and now i'm hooked.
Thanks!

ps-my mom really appreciates the large print copies!
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bush tea
February 20, 2006 06:16PM
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Someone mentioned they thought bush tea smelled like rat droppings. About 20 years or so ago, the South African health authorities found mouse droppings in the rooibos tea stored in the main RSA warehouse and recalled all the rooibos off grocers' shelves. There was a rush for shoppers to get to the stores before grocers could comply.
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Open wide and say &quot;Mma.&quot;
March 21, 2006 07:29AM
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-06 AT 07:31 AM (GMT)


I am guessing that 'annb' is American, and thus confused by pronunciation suggestions by a speaker of British English, or rather non-American English.

For those of us in Australia/New Zealand, the pronunciation of 'mah' (as in 'bah humbug' or 'say Ahhhh') and 'rar' (as in 'car','far' or 'calm') are almost identical; although I would hazard that Rra is said as a South African person might pronounce 'car' ie much further in the throat than Aussies or Kiwis would say (and of course with the Rr pronounced 'rrrrrolled').

Just finished 'Blue Shoes and Happiness.' Damn but these books are addictive. I never had any desire to travel to Africa before, but now I do - especially since I discovered Tlokweng Road really does exist!

>A PS to my post above -
> Further searches on the net
>found an AMS site wherein the
>author replied to this query, although
>his answer confuses me a bit
>- "long a"?? and "rar"??:
>"... Mma is pronounced "mah" (that is,
>with a long a), and rra
>is similarly pronounced "rar". The double
>m and the double r slightly
>strengthen the mo and r sound,
>but only slightly. I hope that
>you enjoy the fourth book in
>due course!
>Very best wishes, Alexander McCall Smith"
>(from http://www.randomhouse.com/features/mccallsmith/ask2.html)
>
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Bush tea, Rooibos, etc.
May 27, 2006 01:17PM
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The local supermarkets in Massachusetts (U. S.) usually have some kind of bush tea, in among the various herb teas and so forth. It is usually called Rooibos or "red tea."

I like it a lot.

I find that what I like best is straight Rooibos, no flavorings, no milk or cream, no sweeteners. One problem with the easily-obtained tea (in teabags from supermarkets) is that I find that I definitely like it best when it is very strong. In an ordinary 8 ounce cup I'll use two bags and steep for 6 minutes or more. It does not seem to be possible to steep it too long, by the way. One brand is Kalahari. Most of the brands that include herb teas in their line (Celestial Seasonings, etc.) include some red tea in their lineup.

I now order it over the Internet, for several reasons. It is fairly expensive stuff and is _much_ cheaper in bulk; and I do think the stuff from the real tea places is a little better than the stuff in teabags at the supermarket.

I've tried two places, both good; most recently I've been ordering from Culinary Teas, mostly because they offer 8 ounce packages which at the rate I consume it is about the right sized package.

When made strong as described, it tastes to me very much like "ordinary" tea. It has a nice, sharp bite to it. It's hard to believe it does not have caffeine.
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bush tea
April 19, 2007 04:55PM
By mbube
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Yes, I was also puzzled by the fact that Mma Makutsi was suddenly drinking bush tea again. In a later book, the missing information is given by the autor. Maybe he realized it only then?

I love the No 1 Ladies' detective agency books. A friend gave me the first book when I left for a camping tour starting at Victoria Falls in Zambia, crossing Botswana through Chobe NP over to the Okavango Delta (both places are awesome) and then down into South Africa. I read it right there and because I was absolutely impressed by Botswana and its friendly people, and because I knew the places, I loved it a lot. Within some weeks I had read all the following books and I am looking forward to "The Good husband of Zebra drive"...

Here is my advice to everybody: You have to go to Botswana! It's an amazing place! Don't miss the beauty of the Okavango Delta and Chobe NP! And you will love its people, just like you love all the characters in the books!
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Beautiful Botswana
May 22, 2007 10:48AM
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I must say i am amazed. For the first time i see positive things about Africa on the net. This makes me really happy to know that there are people out there who appreciate the beauty that does exist in Africa.

I am a Motswana(A citizen of Botswana)and speak Setswana. I am currently studying in Australia. I am embarased to say I have not yet read any book from the series, and each time an Australian asks me about the book, i have nothing to say except I have heard about it. I will definately get myself copies after all the good reviews it is recieving from all of you.

Its really intresting the trouble the forumists have been going thru to try and pronounce Mma or Rra. Its weird trying to explain it with writting. But I hope all the attempts to explain have made some of you get the ghist of it.

All i can say to you all is; Botswana is a lovely country, the people pride themselves for being nice, hence one of our national mottos BOTHO- meaning respect, politeness, kindness all mixed together. We are a peace loving nation and always welcome visitors to our country. So if you want to go on a relaxing holiday or learn more about us besides the Tlokweng road, drop by anmytime. You will be greeted with love!
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Dear Tee_girl,

It was great to read what you wrote about Botswana, as it confirmed the impression one gets from the books.

I wonder what part of Australia you are in while you are studying? I live in Melbourne (although as an earlier writer noticed, I am American!). I hope you are finding it friendly here too.

Note to all - I still have not read the most recent two books in this series - Blue Shoes and Good Husband. Am dying to, though! The series is SO good!
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What a wonderful forum!
June 06, 2007 10:45PM
By Lori
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I stumbled upon this forum while researching the pronunciation and meaning of Mma and Rra. I just began reading the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency this week after purchasing the first four books at a used bookstore. This first book is delightful as I'm sure the entire series is. I'm looking forward to spending part of my summer relaxing with Mma Ramotswe.
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quotes
July 03, 2007 04:06PM
By lizmc
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My partner and i are getting married and both really enjoy this series. We are looking for readings for the service at the moment and like the idea of using an extract from the series. i haven't finished reading all of them yet and read the first 3 some time ago so would be grateful if anyone has any suggestions of where to start looking.
I'll also be able to tell the reader how to pronounce 'Mma' now!
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Where to start
July 25, 2007 10:24AM
By lax
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I should say tee_girl captured it all when she said most people in Botswana are clueless bout the series.
I'm a Motswana too and would like to know where the series starts, as the movie is being shot here now we all want to know a bit about Mma Ramotswe. So please someone send me name of the first book!
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Mma Romatswe in a movie
August 01, 2007 04:19AM
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That is great news that a movie is being made based upon these charming books. I was introduced to the first one via my book club and am now almost finished with In the Company of Cheerful Ladies. After six books it will be fun to compare what the movie portrays with the characters etc versus what my imagination has conjured up. Kind of like Harry Potter <img src="[www.africaguide.com]]. Do you know when the movie will be released? Can't wait!
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First Book in the Series
January 01, 2008 05:11PM
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Hi, I stumbled onto this forum while trying to find out how to say Rra. and Mma. like everyone else.

The first book in the series is "No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency". I have the whole series and I'm reading through them for the second time before reading "Blue Shoes and Happiness", the latest, for the first time.

It brought tears to my eyes to see so many others have found this wonderful look into Botswana and its people.

Best wishes,

Jim
Shenandoah Valley
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Interesting
January 12, 2008 07:25PM
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Amazing how one can imagine a foreign culture without necessarily having visited the place. are there any films that portray the tswana culture like these novels do, would love to watch them.
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gaborone
February 21, 2008 01:29PM
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I lived in Gaborone for three months in 2005, where I worked for a German foundation. The first months I lived with a doctor in her house near Princess Marina Hosiptal, and later, I moved into a house in the village, right at Tlokweng Road. If Tlokweng Road Speedy Motors really existed, it could not be more than half a mile from where I lived, because in "The Kalahari Writing School for Men", Mma Ramotswe walks into the Eucalyptus forest, which was just across the road from where I lived- the green velvet monkeys would come over from that forest and play on our roof.
I read my first No 1 Lady's Detective Agency novel on a bus ride from Maun back to Gaborone, squeezed into my seat as the bus was growded with 50 singing, dancing, chatting and chicken-eating batswana ladies on their way back from a YWCA-meeting up there in Maun.
During my stay in Gabs, I had the chance to see a musical at Maruapula School staring the health minister Sheila Tlou (who is also mentioned in the books, I believe) as Mma Ramotswe!

Those there months belong to the happiest and most exiting of my life, and everytime I get depressed by the dark, wet and cold German winter, I like to put on one of the Time Warner Audio Books of the Mma Ramotswe, because I love the way Adojoa Andoh reads. Reminds me of Botswana. And its just great to have a picture in your mind of all the places mentioned, like the damm, the university, the Main mall, Kgale hill. I've even been to Mochudi, and saw the hosiptal, the Kgotla and the school.
I hope, that I will come back to Botswana some day.
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Mma
July 18, 2008 01:35PM
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The link has been changed to: http://www.botswanatourism.co.bw/about/language.html

I have read a couple of the No 1 Ladies' Detective Agency and have been stirred to go and visit Botswana. Maybe when my kids are a little older...until then, I'm reading the rest of the books in the series!
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SOTETOJANE
August 02, 2008 02:14PM
By Klinze
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As you are from Botswana you might be able to tell me what a sotetojane is. It occurs in the first volume in the chapter about the "The witchdoctor's wife".
It appears to be an insect, and I would be interested in the correct zoological name. Thank you in advance.
Klinze
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Re: SOTETOJANE
July 29, 2010 01:43PM
By Bryan
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Klinze Wrote:
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> As you are from Botswana you might be able to tell
> me what a sotetojane is. It occurs in the first
> volume in the chapter about the "The witchdoctor's
> wife".
> It appears to be an insect, and I would be
> interested in the correct zoological name. Thank
> you in advance.
> Klinze
>

It may be too late (it's quite a while since the question was asked) but I believe the insect referred to is an Armoured Bush Cricket (Orthoptera, Tettigoniidae, Hetrodinae)

I've just started reading the books and read that chapter last night.

P.S. I'm not from Botswana, I looked it up smiling smiley
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&quot;Sotetojane&quot;
December 09, 2008 05:49PM
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I lived and worked in Botswana from 1972 to 1980. One wet summer we had an invasion of these insects which are a bit like a large corn cricket, it was difficult to walk around the garden without treading on them. Our neighbour collected them up and fed them to her ducks. We lived in the old Gaborone Village next to what was then the airport and CTO. I believe it is very much different now but fond memories.
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Mma and Mme
April 15, 2009 08:36PM
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Glad to find the forum, and read eagerly what many postings say about the pronunciation of Mma. HBO is now airing the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency series and I think it is very good as a supplement to the books, never a replacement for them! I am glad to see that the pronunciation on TV is faithful to what I have read on this forum. But how about this that is on page 4 of the first book: "Everybody called her Mma Ramotswe, although if people had wanted to be formal, they would have addressed her as Mme Mma Ramotswe. This is the right thing for a person of stature, but which she had never used of herself." I have still not found how to pronounce the Mme, and do not rember seeing it anywhere but that page. Recently in a book about Senegal, the main character, a little girl, addresses her grandmother as "Mame." Are these related? Tell me how to pronounce Mme if you can please.
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Regarding the tea
May 26, 2009 11:20AM
By elis
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I was searching the net for answers about how you read out Mma, and it turned out I was doing it right from the beginning, how splendid!

Have to agree with each and every one of you, I too am a great fan of the books! I own every one down to "The Miracle at Speedy Motors".

A couple of you was wondering about the tea. I don't know were you're located, but I live in Sweden and Rooibos tea is not uncommon in regular stores. Given, it's tea bags, but it works for me smiling smiley Sipping some as I write, actually
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How funny to find this board. I have watched the full series of "The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency" on HBO and I am totally hooked! I ordered the complete set of books that the series was based on and I can't wait for them to arrive so I can start reading them. I have already watched the HBO series a 2nd time. I can't wait for season 2. My family thinks I am nuts, but harmless! Plus I am now drinking bush tea which I am thrilled is so good for you. I dream of visiting Botswana someday!!
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Re: Mma
February 27, 2010 03:56AM
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I am so happy to have found this site and to hear everyone's views on the books and the series. I had found a website dealing with the series and was informed that we should all write to HBO to encourage them to produce a second season of the series. However, the email address they provided did not go through. The series was so wonderful and they got so much right from the books. Jill Scott and Anika Noni Rose are wonderful.
I am reading The Miracle At Speedy Motors now and do not want the series to end. Hope Alexander McCall Smith writes many more installments.
I found this site looking for Bomma and found it is the plural of Mma.
I also would love to go to Botswana and would love to find a friend like Mma Ramotswe.
Civility is hard to find anywhere anymore. That is why I love the books so much.
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Re: Mma
June 18, 2010 02:00AM
By jali
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I was thrilled to find the HBO series starring Jill Scott available on itunes I've downloaded all of the episodes. I practice my pronunciation using the show.

I love the #1 Ladies' Detective Agency. The author's love of Botswana shows in every word.
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Re: Mma
July 18, 2010 11:13AM
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I know that this is a few years on from the topic was first written but I just had to ask a few questions regarding Mma Makutsi.

In most of the books she is written as a lady who is desperate to get married and thinks that she has nearly missed the boat. Then I re-read the books and realised that in the very first book when Precious Ramotswe first started up the agency she went to the Botswana secretarial college and asked if there was anyone she could employ. She was told that they had a WIDOW who reached 97% in her exams and was very good.

That's the first discrepancy.
Then....
While JLB Matekoni has depression Grace Makutsi looks after the garage and the two apprentices who work very hard and she has their total respect....In later books she is depicted as a harridan regarding them, always making catty remarks and causing fights with them. Doesn't tally with the previous book.

Also, I was trying to find out which book contained the following:

After JLB buys Mma Ramotswe an engagement ring he finds that it is not what it should be....What does he do?

In which book do Mma Ramotswe and JLB Matakoni get married?

regards
Ann
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Mma Ramotswe's puns
August 25, 2010 03:43PM
By PaulB
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Hello,
I am a new reader of Alexander McCall Smith's Mma Ramotswe series of books. Although I haven't yet seen the HBO films, it is something that I am anticipating. The series is interesting because of its comments on human nature and the details of the surroundings and nature.
I found this site by doing a search for Mma Ramotswe and have found the questions and answers interesting. I too had been wondering about the pronunciation of Mma and Rra.

I don't know if Alexander puts puns into all of the books in this series, but I have found at least 2. In the first book when Mma Ramotswe is ruminating about conditions that one would not like the doctor to discuss with other people, she mentions constipation. A political party of people that are constipated would probably not be a good idea, because if they were in power they would never be able to pass legislation.

In one of the later books, when Mma Ramotswe who is a traditionally built lady is going on a diet, it is mentioned that the ranks of the overweight people in Botswana is thinning.

Has anyone else found other puns?
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Re: Mma
March 11, 2011 01:18AM
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i have the best memories of my life in Botswana! Beautiful place i would like to visit it again!! i wish!
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