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Planning on moving to South Africa
August 30, 2004 04:01PM

I'd like to relocate to South Africa sometime and I'm looking for people who live there or are planning on moving there to chat with about life in SA ...
Anonymous User
September 09, 2004 11:17AM

Anonymous User
Going/Moving to SA
September 12, 2004 11:11PM
Why do you say that?
That was a rather strong statement you made.
There must be some equally strong reasons.
Moving to RSA
September 13, 2004 05:05PM
I am with my wife and 2 kids, 6 & 4 relocating to Cape Town to live leaving the UK in Jan 05. We are all looking forward to it and are fully aware of possible dangers but these dangers are with us in the UK anyway. The education is excellent, the way of life and standards are first class. We have bought our house and cannot wait to give it a go. Don't look back and say if only.....!

why what are your reasons
October 14, 2004 07:11AM

please what are your reasons for this-please be honest.
S.A Move
October 18, 2004 08:14PM
Hi Dave, sound,like you are in a very similar position to ourselves. We have a 5 year old boy who we've booked into start school in Jan 05. Still waiting for our visas though. Its been over a year.Going to settle in the Gordons Bay area (30 mins from Cape Town). Don't the pesimists start to anoy you though? Constant criticism of a country most of them have never even visited. Prior to applying for residency We have been holidaying there for 12 years. In all that time I've not even witnesed an argument yet alone a gun fight by a crazed HIV positive car jacker. I feel the country in 50 years time is going to be an example to the rest of the world when future generations look back on what can be achieved when the human spirit is encouraged to build a truly multicultural and diverse society.
Moving to SA
October 19, 2004 07:49PM
What do you want to know about SA?
Anonymous User
Moving to S.A.
October 20, 2004 09:41AM
To all those who are contemplate moving to S.A.
I commend you to read my previous posting
"Emigrating to South Africa-Look before you leap".
I speak with personal knowledge of S.A.
There is a world of difference between holidaying in a country and actually living there.
Tourists to South Africa have been up to this point at any rate fairly "sheltered"
by Tour Operators who select what they perceive
as the "safer areas".But look for example
at tourist brochures for S.A. tours-you will find
very few relating to Durban-sea front and centre.
Most will concerntrate on suburban areas and
the North Coast e.g Umhlanga Rocks.
Now central Durban is an attractive place as is the beachfront.Why then are so few tours to those
areas available??
The truth is that Durban is no longer a safe place-with rising crime e.g. robberies occuring
If you choose to emigrate to South Africa
bear these points in mind:-
l.If you have a lot of money you can purchase
property in high security enclaves with high
perimeter fences,armed response assistance and self-contained shopping malls.But do you really
want to live in a prison???
2.If you do not have funds to avoid getting work
you may have great difficulties in getting any work.Unemployment is rife and the cost of living is no longer cheap.Can you overcome and survive the economic hurdles???
3.Because of the influx of many foreign Nationals
the majority from other African States there is an
increasing measure of Xenophobia developing in
S.A.Where these foreign nationals get work
they are resented by local people who feel that
they are being deprived of the said jobs.
4. Sadly H.I.V./Aids is rife in South Africa
and medical facilities vary considerably in quality.
5.If you have children of school-going age the
standards of education in some-particularly state
schools -is debatable.In one instance the
parents of children-white black and Indian-have
removed their children and at great financial sacrifice have sent their children to private schools!!!
6 Despite the semblance of "Democracy" South Africa is in effect a one-party state with the A.N.C.having a vast majority in Parliament.
This is not always a good thing-although in fairness the previous White Government under the
Nationalist party had created in effect a one party state.
Even the U.K. has now become in effect a one-party state thanks to President Blair!!
I say again-Look before you leap!!!!
A bit drastic
November 05, 2004 09:04AM
It seems to me as though you are focusing on the durban area, sure, Durban has been going down for quite a while now and I personally will never go back to Durban for fear of being hijacked. I do think however, that durban is a one of very few highly criminal areas.

The level of education in south africa as far as I am concerned is FANTASTIC, I was educated in south africa in a public school and i have done very well for myself. This goes for old school friends as well.

It seems to me that all of your points are highly personal and keeping foriegners from going into the country is the biggest mistake anyone could make.

I love SA and that is why i am going back, it is one of the most friendly and beautiful countries in the world and will be, as the one guy said, an example to the rest of the world!
South Africa is a great place to live.
November 05, 2004 05:35PM
Try Port Elizabeth. It is fine you are absolutely right about the education it is great much better than the U.K.

Cost of living is also great most items are about half price, housing is wonderful value.

Jobs however are a problem, there is not much point earning rands, it is far better to earn hard currency and spend the winter/ summer in South Africa.

Anonymous User
extraordinary skills or qualifications
November 05, 2004 06:31PM
Hi, I'm planning to move to CT in October next year and am trying to find a job to gain a permanent residence visa. Can anyone tell me what sort of skills/qualifications fall under the 'extraordinary skills or qualifications' catagory. I have an honours degree and some work experience to go with it besides other jobs. Would this be enough?
Thanks for your time.
November 06, 2004 10:24PM
thanks for that info!!
For sure, for all us "expats" wanting to emigrate to "this country".....
You do seem to be slightly "obsessed" with "Durban"
We went to "Durban" in 1999- yep ok things may of changed& yes there were areas, that was,nt-so accommadating, hey this was our first time& even then we picked up on the "feeling"of not being in the "right place at the wrong time"
Call me ignorant if you like, but for sure this country.,will come back.
Yes i am a "tourist", but have been to jo"burg& yes stayed there, many times with my family, seen the "roadblocks,having a "braai"& having "copters " coming over your house"for us "tourists"-who hey live so chocolate box life"you just really have to adapt.
I truly,as a person believe- the country , as a whole will for sure, be in time be one of the best places on this earth!!!
I really really hope so!!!
extraordinary skills or qualifications
November 07, 2004 07:02AM
There are no specifics, the best way is to get an employer to back your application.

This person has these skills which we are unable to find in South Africa and therefore we need to employ him, you would need to make something that relates to your honours degree or work experience.

Anonymous User
January 23, 2005 05:09PM
WOW! What a wonderful experience! We're currently in Spain checking out what it's like, but today I (Claire) am considering moving to Cape Town just like you guy's are. Please could you let us know how you're getting on.

Speak to you soon

Claire and Andy
In a Jo-burg Minute!
January 27, 2005 07:01PM
I seem to agree with Sarah on most things South African. The country is great and it's education system is fantastic (especially if you're black). I know of numerous of UK based black families who are packing off their little ones to South Africa for the sole reason that they see eye to eye with the South African notion of school born discipline, which is now sadly absent in the UK.

Now I think (like Durban) that Jo-burg gets a bad wrap ALL THE TIME. For me Johannesburg is the ONLY place in Africa that I could live. In Durban, I would play. In Cape Town, I would sleep but only in PWV would I be able to work and live. I was born and raised in Wolverhampton, West Midlands, UK and to tell you the truth I simply can't see the difference between Birmingham (UK's second city) and Johannesburg. So when I finally get to SA with the wife, that's where I'm going to be laying down roots. Jo-burg is vibrant, exciting, go-getting while at the same time, one of the most dangerous places on Earth. Alas I can't help myself. For me....Jo-burg ticks all the right boxes.
PS:....In a Jo-Burg Minute. Everything can Change.
January 27, 2005 07:15PM
Colin is dead right about the South African currency. My wife and I plan to rent out our house in London, while making a new home and starting a new business (which will also be earning hard currency) in South Africa. My best advice to ANYONE contemplating coming out to SA is.....always cover your back. JC
Retort to Cassandra
February 04, 2005 09:09PM
I moved to Cape Town from New York exactly six months ago joining my South African life partner.

While I can't speak for life in Durban, I'd like to resond to Cassandra's points in relation to Cape Town:

1) Even with the weak US dollar and strong rand the sale of our NYC apartment enabled us to buy outright (with a lot left over) a nice house in a middle-income area. Our next door neighbor has been burgled twice in 31 years and another neighbor once in 19. Other friends have lived here all there lives and have never once been a victim of a crime since apartheid ended (including our best friend who is 66 and lived here since she was 12). We have felt perfectly safe virtually everywhere we have gone. It's just a matter of being streetwise like most places in the world. We have not felt the slightest inclination to move to a gated community.

2. Unemployment is lower in the Western Cape than in the rest of the country and lower still for tertiary educated people. It's taken a bit of time but we are both finding consultancy work. If you do have even a small income in dollars, pounds or euros, it still goes a long way here.

3. I have felt no resentement from South Africans at all. In fact, many perfect strangers have helped me find work.

4. Yes, HIV and AIDS is, sadly, one of this nation's largest problems. But there is an extordinary movement, including hundreds of non-profit organisations, who are fighting AIDS (and helping people living with AIDS) in many ways. I am proud to volunteer at one of these groups. By April, generic anti-retroviral medication will be available for approximately 100 Rand per month. Compare that with the US. As for the quality medical care I have found standards to be higher here than in the US where I was a member of a ghastly HMO.

5. The state run schools in my area, I understand, are quite well run and standards are reasonable.

6. "Semblence" of democracy? Cassandra, I'm not sure you understand what democracy means. If 70% of eligible South African voters cast their ballots for the ANC, then 70% of the elected representatives should be from the ANC! Democracy means, in part, that the will of the people is relected in the legislature they elect. This is what happens in South Africa.

Small world
February 05, 2005 04:41PM
I have just re read the previous messages.

I was also born and lived my whole life in Wolverhampton.

I never undestood why anyone had a problem in South Africa.

I moved to Port Elizabeth 10 years ago and still think it is wonderfull.

I am writing this in Singapore airport and will be back to P.E in the morning.

Great place come and try it
A Pack of Wolves!
February 05, 2005 07:58PM
Well Colin.....I'm sending this from Tottenham, North London but I'd rather be on Jo-burg. Pray tell....which side of the tracks do you come from? Something tell's me it isn't Heath Town, Parkfields or Whitmore Reans.
Very small world
February 07, 2005 10:25AM
Isn’t it a small world.

Many thanks for Glen Hoddle he seems to be doing a good job.

Penn, which is not so far from Parkfields. Where are you from ?

I am now in Port Elizabeth the sky is as blue as you can imagine and it is 29 degrees.

It is a wonderful place to live, the rest of the world has yet to work it out.

Anonymous User
2nd Division
February 07, 2005 07:20PM
Me! I'm a life long Arsenal supporter. You don't get spat at , at Highbury. I was born in Handsworth, Birmingham and brought up near Sedgley Beacon. I have family who now live all over the place from Cheslyn Hay to Whittick Bank. I also have adopted family in PE but alas I've never visited the place. I'm looking to put right that sin of omission, real soon. Then we can make a plan. I'm looking to drive the Garden Route in one of them PE built AC Cobra's.
Anonymous User
Retort to Adrian!
February 08, 2005 01:32PM
Is it correct that you are an American Citizen and that you have lived in South Africa for only 6 months?
If that be so I suggest that you have a steep
learning curve to surmount.
In Africa(including South Africa)so-called Western Style Democracy does not exist.It is the dominant Tribe that calls the shots!
For example the Afrikaner "Tribe" dominated the political scene in SA from 1948 until 1994.
Under their rule SA was in effect a "one party state".
Now it is the Turn of the "Black Tribe who has control of the Armoury" to reign supreme.
In due course all opposition parties to the ANC will be stifled.
I do not know whether you are Black or White Adrian.
If you are the former you may be O.K. although you could experience resentment from the indigenous Blacks many of them have gained sweet FA since 1994-widespread poverty abounds whilst the "Fat Cats of the ANC" ride the Gravy Train with impunity!
If you are white I suggest you seek another land.
White male South Africans especiallythe young are leaving the country in droves.
You know why?
With the implementation of the insane policy of "Affirmative action" white males rank about four rungs down the order of batting-job discrimination runs rampant and you get the absurd situation where totally incompetent persons
are placed in high positions!
Finally I must permit myself a wry smile when you aver that you are not sure that Cassandra understands what democracy means.
Possibly the average " grass roots" American might have a semblance of understanding but not your Government.
The debacle of the invasion of Iraq speaks for itself.Quit kidding yourself if you think that the recent elections in Iraq were truly democratic!
The destiny of Iraq will be determined by Islamic principles alone and not by the Oil-obsessed
destroyers in Washington.
In the name of Allah the Merciful and the Prophet Peace be upon Him.Allahu Akbar!!!
Big Boy Freddy "Mugu" Majola
"Mugu" by name but NOT "Mugu" by nature!
Retort to Big Boy
February 08, 2005 07:50PM
Yo Freddy! My Man.

I've got news for you. If western style democracy doesn't exist anywhere in Africa, then I can tell you that it doesn't exist anywhere else either (especially in the west). The first election of GW Bush, saw ballot boxes become part of the landscape of the everglades. GW's second election wasn't much better. While on the other side of the pond you've got Tony "The War Monger" Blair. Nuff said. Before Blair....we had Maggie " The Snatcher" Thatcher, so not much change there then. I know people who are just dreading the coming of the next general election in the UK. The differnce between Labout and the Tories are paper thin and only a optimist thinks that the Liberals are going to get anything but a sniff of Number Ten. As for the ANC jumping on the gravy train....well I was there in Soweto when Pickfords moved one and all to Sandton. The ANC elite are no better (or worse) in this regard, than the other long term passengers on board the International Sponger's Express.

Now freddy, you are not the first and won't be the last to mention this alleged resentment felt by "indigenous blacks" of us Johnny Foreigners. I've been travelling in and out of South Africa now for longer than ten years now and not once have I been made aware of bad feelings towards me as a British Black person. I've seen a couple of black Americans run out of town on a couple of occasions but that was because the yanks in question were arrogant dickheads in deep need of a good beating.....and they deserved it! In fact White South African have nothing to fear, as long as they stay in SA and build up their country strong. They just need to do something about their lack of commitments to cricket and rugby.

Retort to Big Boy Freddy
February 11, 2005 12:32PM
Big Boy Freddy,

I was deeply engaged in grass roots politics in the US and agree with you entirely that democracy in that country is under serious attack. I don't, however, need a "big learning curve" in South African politics as you sugest. I am already working as a consultant to several South African NGOs and a minority political party.

As a white foreigner I have not experienced the slightest hint of resentment from a single black, "coloured" or muslim person I have encountered. Quite the contrary. One black lady, the head of an NGO, has given me consultancy work and invited me to apply for a full-time position.

A word on South African democracy. I have lived in (and have been politically active in) the USA, Australia, the UK and now South Africa. In only one of those contries is it not possible to form government with a minority of the vote. Thatcher won with 42%, Bush in 2000 won despite getting by half a million votes less than Gore, and Howard (conservative PM of Australia) won despite getting 3 percentage less that the labor party in 1996. Among these countries, South Africa alone ensures that political representation reflects the votes cast. And its constitution guarantees more rights than any of the others. Big Boy Freddy, you can have a "wry smile" as wide as you like, but the fact remains that South Africa is a model democracy.

If you took the time to examine what Affirmative Action actually is, you'd see the requirements are not that onerous. I for one think that AA will be necessary in the civil service and large business for some time. I do think, however, the AA requirements should be gradually phased out for NGOs, small and medium-sized businesses.

Thanks for your advice but despite my many options I do not intend to leave South Africa. Oh, and perhaps you haven't heard but ex-pats are coming back in quite significant numbers.

Religion in SA
February 28, 2005 03:05PM
Hello. I have been contemplating moving to SA in the future sometime. Not sure when yet, but it wouldn't be for a couple of years, at least. IT's been something that I have wanted to do for a number of years now. I have had the pleasure of meeting a girl online about 3 years ago, and she is from SA. She grew up there and told me that I should at least come visit. I very recently moved to the US from Canada to be with my girlfriend, and after I had told her about my friend in SA and me wanting to go there, she offered to go with me if I ever decided to go.
Although I do have a friend and her family already living there, I would like a few different opinions about what the religion is like in SA, as I am a Christian and would like to know how accepted Christianity is in different parts of SA. How religious, or how Christian is SA?
Thank you for you thoughts and opinions.
I agree to disagree
March 31, 2005 10:33AM
In some instances you make a few valid points but as by your own admission some people are stressing personal points for concern I think you too need to be a bit more realistic about your own views. Education may have been great in your day and age (you mentioned being educated in SA, my question is: "WHEN"!) but things have changed considerably and I am also saving to send my daughter to a private school (yes, saving, as not everyone can afford the luxury that should be basically and fairly available but isn't). I disagree with Durban being one of the FEW unsafe places in the country. I have lived in PTA, on the East Rand and in Sandton in the past 10 years and have relatives in CT and on the North and South Coasts, I assure you there are dangers EVERYWHERE! I have witnessed and experienced hi-jacking and smash & grab incidents, in peak hour traffic (and people are too afraid to help so offenders are well aware that they can get away with it). My older sister has her home broken into 5 times in the Paarl (in a aparrantly secure area) which forced them to move to a security estate, my younger sister and her husband were held at gunpoint by 11 armed men in Nov and had R300 000 and personal belongings stolen from them, my father in law was murdered in a hi-jacking attempt, they didn't even take the car in the end, my best friends mother was hi-jacked, in another incident held at gun point at a upmarket and popular grocer (in a "secure" area) and one of the car was stolen from their property in a so-called secure area (all in the space of six months - and recently). I don't go out of my way to associate with drama, we happen to all be normal people, from various places in life that happen to live in the same crime ridden country. It's sad because our country is beautiful, I love the weather, I love South African food, magnificant beauty of all of our provinces and I'm proud to be a South African, however I miss the US just because of the simple pleasures such as safety that I experienced when I lived in Atlanta. I wish we had it all.
Re; moving to S.A.
June 02, 2005 06:42PM
Cassandra, I would turn it the other way around and say that if you decide to live behind barbwired walls you are creating your own mental and physical prison....but I don´t think your your forced to live like that in order to get by in SA.
I don´t know anyone living like that, and they´re all doing fine - foreigners as SA´s...
June 05, 2005 03:32PM
im a kenyan aged 20 a student at the university of nairobi. i plan to go around southern african. i might need to comm wit you sso that when i come there this aug 2005 we can meet.
I agree to disagree.
June 17, 2005 11:52AM
I was born in Cape Town, now live in Florida. My husband and I decided to return to South Africa and relocated to Plumstead. All I can say that it was the worst decision that we ever made, and we left after 3 months. I did not expect the level of crime, drugs and anxiety of the community from "contantly being on the alert". I graduated from Trafalgar High School in Cape Town, I certainly know the level of education in South Africa. By what I heard from a former school principal, the level has most certainly gone down and the children are no longer safe in their schools. Gangs roam the area and intimidate the children. Also child rape is a huge problem.
I will never expose my children to this situation. We feel much safer here in the USA.
Not worth it
October 02, 2005 02:53PM
Hi, It is not worth moving to South Africa at present, due to the overzealous application of affirmative action (reverse apartheid) which is currently in force by act of Parliament. What we have once again is a state of discrimination. Irrespective of your skills and qualifications unless you are black, you will not be considered for any possible positions. This is a fact of life in South Africa.
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